How is it to be stated that Chinese seem to have little difficulty with massive government interference and surveillance? Even the social lending system is not controversial in China?

I visited China and also had a relationship with a Chinese woman who lived and worked in Beijing for several years.
I, of course, also suggested this kind of question as a Westerner.
Below my nuanced answer to this question,
Both from the perspective of a Chinese citizen and her family as well as from myself as Westerner.

According to my former Chinese partner, the influence of the Communist Party in China is very strong from the cradle to death:
Although it is now about school training, career, housing but also influence of the party in private companies, censorship on the internet, possession of several official state channels (which additionally call CCTV-I always called it ironically Closed Circuit TV),… So there is not really a free press in ‘ mainland ‘ China, at least not in the form of a mass medium like TV.

There is journalism about more trivial topics such as nutrition, leisure, etc… But as a journalist who wants to work for one of the major CCTV-state transmitters, you will have to have proven all your loyalty to the state apparatus Ttz have openly demonstrated social behavior.
Maw you may wonder to what extent a journalist can fulfill his role in China without getting into trouble.For example, not so long ago even a book seller of ‘ Forbidden Books ‘ was kidnapped in Hong Kong, his shop struck, etc.

The One-Party system in China can influence the life of a Chinese who is loyal to the party mind balance in a very positive way (training opportunities, careers, housing, etc…) But also the other way around:
Anyone who starts to rebel openly or via the internet about the idea and creates followers in China can still have serious problems in prison.

For example, only a few years ago a world-famous Chinese artist (Ai Wei Wei) who, through his works of art, critically questioned the evolution in China, was thrown into jail without even being able to notify anyone, his visa Decreased, etc.

He was officially accused of tax evasion but due to the increasing international pressure he was released, but without visas he was unable to go out.Maw there is always the possibility of intimidation of individuals who criticize the Chinese system or who gain too much influence and can thus undermine the party’s authority.

For me personally, it started with the stringent ‘ screening ‘ that I had to endure when I made a visa application: In contrast to e.g. Thailand or Cambodia visits (visa on arrival, a paper to fill the size of an A5), I had to Visa application China to an office in Brussels (Woluwe), fill about 6 A4 pages with personal information OA about my employer, income, even data about my father and mother,… Such a thing I had never experienced before for a Visa application.I am now talking about a visa application from seven years ago, no idea how it has evolved now.

But the main reason why, according to my Chinese partner and myself, is not overly open rebellion with the Social Credit system is:

China has experienced a landslide on the economic front of the two to three last decades: life in materialistic-financial terms is better for a larger proportion of the population.There is also much more possibility of private enterprise.

Maw the party is actually getting credit from the population because many Chinese see their standard of living on the go.There is a huge performance pressure on this, although it is about training or career, and the traditional family structure is also under pressure: Because China is so big, children are often working for their careers in the capitals that make them their family Literally sometimes only once a year physically see during Chinese New year. But at the same time, it is expected that one child (‘ one child ‘ politics by Chairman Mao in the past), or take care of both parents if they themselves can no longer be independent.

There is indeed criticism from some layers of the Chinese people and of Chinese intellectuals and artists, but in contrast to this, it does not happen in China as ‘ open and bare ‘.On the one hand, there is public screening on the Internet (You Tube, Facebook,… are blocked in China) and if you were there for example Tian An Men (the square on which the student Revolte took place in the ‘ 80) on a search engine, then it seemed like it had never existed.

There are 3 main issues why the Chinese population (at least a large majority) does not revolt:

  1. The party has also in positive terms the standard of living (financial equipment) increased in the last decades.

Maw there is also an attitude towards the loyalty of the population in that they judge that the party also accomplished progress and the vision and initiatives of the party are not necessarily ‘ bad ‘. The Chinese are now also confronted more frequently with the disadvantages of the new economic system: environmental degradation, relocation and noise pollution due to the construction rage, undermining of the family system due to the performance pressure,… But for the time being, from the perception of the Chinese itself, there are much more advantages than disadvantages. Just about all Chinese as Western products are in stock and an increasing proportion of the population also has enough money to be able to pay them.

  • In China There are no mass media (such as e.g. critical TV channels) that the party is asking.
  • There are certainly critical journalists, intellectuals and artists, but the question is to what extent they can do their work without getting into trouble.
    The resistance is therefore more disguised than what you expect in countries with really openly and freely organized press.
    The CCTV channels are basically all state channels (Maw the party channels) Maw a journalist who works for it is either party-loyal or is critical but will not be openly protestors by asking ‘ on air ‘ overly critical questions or the impression That he or she wants to bring the population into revolt.
    A big misunderstanding with Westerners is that the party would intervene directly if a Chinese poses critical political questions.The party will intervene only when an individual gets too many ‘ followers ‘ or Maw could pose a real threat to the authority of the party. Criticism can and may be in China, as long as you are not overly popular, because that could disrupt the public order. There are also open and public demonstrations in China, but they are small-scale.

  • A large majority of the Chinese population can afford neither time nor financially to make a trip to the west and to compare their political system and daily culture with that of the West.
  • What they can see from the west via TV or press is, for example, an arrogant and aggressive conflict-seeking president like Trump, and that’s not the traditional Chinese way to deal with conflict.
    Their social system is just aimed at avoiding ‘ loss-of-face ‘, so a lot of Chinese are going to automatically reject such kind of politicians from their culture.Compare the style of the current Chinese president (is VNL aimed at avoiding openly conflict) with the American president and then you have to ask the question whether one is better than the other.

    What Chinese see from the West is therefore not necessarily positive from their culture and perception.The part of the Chinese population who can afford to travel west is often also that part that could play ‘ the social game ‘ in China properly (Maw are among the better middle classes), because otherwise they already had the financial resources not to re Izen in the first place, so they often have to lose more if they are going to rebel openly in China. More so: Why would they rebel because their standard of living is usually advanced on them.

    Also, keep in mind that news coverage in the west of China is very often very much coloured, in the sense that there is only conflict in China but that positive issues are not highlighted or less.I was only fully aware of this by travelling to China how colored our own so-called critical or objective press is often. In the USA you have very coloured coverage about China and it is economically and strategically purposeful: Ttz gain more influence on the Chinese markets by undermining the authority of the party.
    The USA often intends to present their economic system as ‘ sacred ‘ and wants other countries to be folds towards the same economic system: the assumed but not necessarily proven achievements of ‘ the free market ‘ or wild capitalism.

    This is how the perception in the West arises as if it is all doom and bruise in China, but nothing is less true: Visit Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen,… And you’ll see cities that are highly modernized with both Chinese and Western retail chains.Many Chinese nowadays have living comfort CF with the West. You can eat Mc Donald’s as well as noodle soup, go to the cinema (too critical films are censored) and move without too much effort between different provinces with modern public transport and high speed trains.

    \xa0In relation to the population there is statistically e.g. less crime than in the USA and solid health care and training is accessible to a larger proportion of the population than in the USA.I never felt threatened in China myself when I made long walks in ‘ suburbs ‘ too. I do not recommend your BV to try something like this in some neighborhoods of L.A. because it is really dangerous.

    A visit to the dentist in China then took TSS the 5 and 10 euros.Chinese doctors in smaller cities often go from a social feeling to their question price, NGL the financial situation of their patient: this is something you can hardly imagine in the West that the doctor himself adapts his asking price according to the financial Situation of the patient. The Western doctor will usually assume that you have to rely on other mechanisms such as social security, for example.

    Because of fatigue I left my camera in the back seat of a Chinese taxi.My Chinese partner called to the taxi company and that camera was delivered back within 20 minutes, even without the demand for a reward. On something like that, you certainly don’t have to count in New York.

    Also a decent meal (although it is now a street stall or in a restaurant) is affordable for most Chinese.

    In other words , the news in the West about China is often one-sided and only negative without indicating it from Chinese culture, to the extent that it becomes almost a caricature and therefore also very subjective (by en only the negative but not the Positive to illuminate).I myself was only fully aware of this when I travelled to China for many years and had a very positive relationship with Chinese citizens. Because, contrary to what the sensationally engineered media outlet you want to believe, the system does not work at all.

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    It is mainly a collection of a lot of systems, half of which the proof-of-concept or graduation project-level has never been crossed, and the majority of the systems are not connected.After all, every supplier wants the system to become the golden standard for the follow-up of the old-fashioned Dang’an .

    The most invasive is an experimental pedestrian crossing where-if you walk through red-you get a message within a minute on your phone that the penalty amount of your bank account has been debited.

    Salient Detail: Some of these systems are supplied by Dutch suppliers, who have been tested extensively on Dutch citizens through our own tax office and UWV.

    I think culturally according to confucionism one always obeys the “emperor” (= Machthebber), if one is only enabled to go economically, make money, only if the emperor does badly for the people is justified To revolt against this, and to replace him (China has known Only one empress in the thousands of years of history, the infamous Wu Zetian 42 Ruthless Facts About Wu Zetian, the Only Empress of China).The latter is, incidentally, denied by some Chinese.

    This control also gives a great sense of security, rightly or unjustifiably.

    The founder general of the (Communist) party is de facto the new emperor.

    I think there are 2 things that play a big role here.The first is that China has been able to make tremendous growth by public policy. They are the country hard to lift up. A large proportion of the population has experienced real poverty and is aware of where they are coming from.

    The second is that fraud is a huge problem. The result of this system/policy is that many people see the benefits.Their daily life has become practically better. There are many advantages to such a system.

    It is another big step to lift the country further to a higher level of prosperity.By the time they become “developed out”, the resistance to this system will naturally come to this you can see in some way in Hong Kong and Taiwan where there is already more intrinsic prosperity, there is not so waiting for the interference of the Chinese state.

    The answer lies, as always in my world:-), in history.

    In our Western world, our society has evolved in (a) a middle class society, ttz the governments are not formed by an elite, but by representatives of the largest group being the same mid-range.(b) Since centuries, think here the Renaissance, we, Western Europeans, have developed a sense of privacy that spread from the ‘ higher ‘ class to the Burgunisie (middle class). Privacy also has a price (larger houses, no residential barracks…) and thus only the (Minoritarian) ‘ Lower ‘ class (I have experienced this too) could or cannot bear this financially. Count (a) and (b) and it is clear that we ‘ Westerners ‘ have developed a great sense of privacy in a large majority.

    Now to the Chinese.They have neither (a), ttz the vast majority is still on the way from the ‘ lower ‘ to the ‘ middle ‘ class, nor (b) because this population was suppressed for centuries and there was barely a ‘ middle ‘ class.

    So the conclusion is that in a few decades the Chinese society will have evolved enough to have a different face in this respect too.

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