Do you think that we have a sea culture in schools? So, why does this make you think?

Yeah sure.At HBO I heard fellow students always say ‘ if I only get a 5.5! ‘. Now in college I hear the same thing. ‘ I’m going for a just enough ‘.
Of course I am also happy with a tight enough, but if I learn hard for an exam and I finally get a 7, I am disappointed.In myself then.

In fact, I think that we do not have the Dutch school as high priority as other countries.Particularly Asian countries. They attach far more values to education. In The Netherlands It is so of ‘ you have done at least your best ‘ and ‘ more than your best you can not do ‘. I think it has to do with a certain mentality. I think we have free time much higher on the list than school. I really think we are more committed to this. Is nothing wrong with it further though.

Now than Japan.In Japan, School is In the first place. If you have not followed a university study, they are afraid that it will not come well with you. Really though. I have experienced it myself. After my HBO diploma was my aunt the first one who called and asked ‘ when are you going to college? ‘ (She asked it of course in Japanese). My father too was afraid that I could not get a decent job with HBO.

In Japan, they have a ranking in the classes.A list in which all students are numbered, from the best achiever to the lowest performer. So literally #1 Makiko and #30 Aiko. So a ranking depends in the middle of the classroom/hall so that everyone can see where a student stands. In Japan, a 6 is not something to be proud of. Students follow almost all of them alongside their compulsory school time classes. Bijles in all sorts of subjects. In addition, they still have baking with homework. Many free time students do not have. I have experienced it myself in Japan. The pressure to perform is rock hard.

But where do I actually go to in my story…

My conclusion is that it is not very bad to ‘ have ‘ a ‘ zesjes ‘ culture.This because high presteer pressure can lead to a high percentage of burnout students and even suicidal among students. Japan is ranked in the top 5 list of students who commit suicide (due to school performance and the like). Rather than just pick a 6 and get with your friends on step. You Only Live once?๐Ÿ˜‰

The Netherlands has a consensus culture in which excellence is not encouraged.I continually extracted nines and tienen for Dutch but invariably got an eight on my school reports, because higher than eight, my teacher did not meet Dutch, he stated. While I was much less good at subjects such as mathematics and economics, the other side of the results were not adjusted. In My life I know countless examples of such dominance of the middle moot. I think it is the fundamental civil institution of our Dutch. I am quite wondering at this point, yet I like to live in my homeland because of the blessings of that same citizenry. As long as it does not become a small citizen.

Yes, there is a sea culture.This culture is not a recent development, but is certainly present for 50 years.

Why is this coming?That’s so long ago that it’s no longer reconstructing. That is not so relevant either. It is important that this culture maintains itself. Those who get too high grades are a ‘ stuut่Š’ ้ˆง๎ƒฝๅŠ‰ and do not belong.

Now that I have thought about it, I think that the culture of the sea is partly due to the fact that from the first or second year of secondary education students are divided into cabinets, almost as fixed as those of the Hindu่Š’ ้ˆง๎ƒฝๅŠ‰ s.Academics, HBO, MBO-ers, and lower educated have different norms and values, jobs, incomes, lifestyles and life expectations. They hardly mix with each other. Whoever tries to transcend his caste is seldom successful in this, but can be sure that his caste looks at him suspicily.

Certainly, we have a culture of the sea, and this has certainly existed for sixty years.I have 2 extreme experiences for that matter. A disciple who was very, because he had received a figure that he did not necessarily need. He therefore concluded that he had worked unnecessarily too hard. This was in 1974. Another pupil who also wanted to perform just on the edge had settled down, and stayed on a difference of a quarter point. Frankly, I also laughed at him.

It was a relief to notice at the University of Leipzig that the students went for a 1 (inverse count with five points).A 2, which still means good, was perceived as failure, and a 3, with which you could also go further, as an outright insult.

There is nothing wrong with the sewers culture.It is simply the result of the Dutch education system. As an example, the US is often cited, where pupils would do their best, but one forgets that the level of a High School is about our Havo level and that there are no other levels either. If you want to go to a good university, you have to excel at the Havo level. In The Netherlands there are several VMBO levels, Havo, and VWO. Whoever gets to VMBO or Havo nines and Tienen is wrong and needs to go to a level where he/she gets more difficult. Zessen and sevens are met by pupils who are at the right level. And there is nothing wrong with that.

I have read the other replies and it surprised me that there would be a sea culture in Dutch.When I was in school, I did not recognise this, but now I teach myself and have to give the figures. I myself also have an explanation for that.

MAVO or VMBO-TL pupils sit on the boundaries of their can and often a six is the maximum they can achieve.If they were to reach Tienen, that means that they could possibly do HAVO. VWO pupils often get tens, not because they are streberig, but because there are no higher levels.

On the other hand, I see more and more a sea culture emerged among VWO pupils, because probably many pupils do not belong there and that they are pushed by their parents to sit there.

At the college or university there is also often a sea culture, because it simply does not pay to do much more effort than necessary.You have to do so many things. If you apply, you will often not be asked for your grades. If you get beautiful numbers, you usually go forward for a master title or even promote.

This was my opinion on that.I hope this has answered your question. Thank you for asking me this question, Hannah Villarba (Hannah Villarba).

Jack Ma, Multibillionaire and owner of Alibaba once told this in a speech against his son: “You don่Š’ ้ˆง๎ƒฝๅŠ‰ t need to be in the top three in your class, being in the middle is fine, so long as your grades aren่Š’ ้ˆง๎ƒฝๅŠ‰ t too bad.Only this kind of person [a middle-of-the-road student has enough free time to learn other skills. “

I myself noticed that both in high school and higher education the effort it takes to get a 5.5 and a 9 to crochet is gigantic. Usually it is possible to understand in relatively little time the basis of the fabric.This is not necessarily a good mentality, but this does mean that you as a student can also stop energy in other ways to develop yourself.

In addition, I also feel that the way education works is not so effective. Students ‘ performance is assessed primarily by tests, so basically snapshots that look at how well a student understands the book.

I study Engineering, and I have noticed that some of the students can be divided into two groups:

First of all, there is a group that always gets incredibly good grades for tests.They know the fabric inside and out and are always well prepared. But in practice are a large number (sorry to say so) crappy engineers. They understand the theory but do not have enough insight to apply it.

Secondly, there is the group that sometimes has trouble getting high marks.They are often on the verge of a sufficient and need regular reopportunities. But as soon as practical assignments have to be worked, they often come up with very original designs, and they still work well. When they think of something they are apparently only going to learn well as soon as they want to know how something is together.

Of course this applies to not all students for a long time, but I was very sorry to see a number of students who could be sent away for my own feeling very good engineers because they could not complete Calculus.

In addition, a number of students with very high grades have been cut off because they performed well, but the training simply does not suit them properly.

Sorry for my long “rant”, but I just had to get rid of this.

Not only that; The Netherlands was also world famous because of the high percentage of high school dropouts in the years ่Š’ ้ˆง?่™„ 90-Now I do not know-and these people are now themselves parent and educator.I don’t know how that turns out.

In Asia, involved parents say to their children: you can play now and you’ll have to work hard later, or you’re going to learn and play a lot later.They also sacrifice their time to help the kids learn. They invest in good training. And that is the truth in a densely populated area. You don’t have to walk far to see the real poverty.

That is still hiding here.Western Europe is simply not yet densely populated enough; We have been spoiled for centuries by old trade relations and believe that everyone can reach what is in the world and can otherwise fall back to a benefit. This will change, that is already a development that is going on.

Your child doesn’t have to be a nerd, although it’s less wrong than the movies do believe.Striving for an 8 is not a shame, even if they are on Vmbo. And that also applies to yourself.

This has multiple causes.

The most important thing is that pupils are not stimulated enough to get higher than a 6. It doesn’t matter if you have taken a 6 or a 9, you have a sufficient one, and if your average is above 5.5 (with maybe a few negatives), you go over.Pupils have no reason to perform better. I am currently still in high school and notice that pupils get higher grades if they find that this extra effort is worth it. For example, at my school there is a rule that gymnasium pupils can skip in the substructure lessons of subjects that they find easy to work ahead in that time for the profession in question or to make homework for another profession (although many pupils were Hours to the supermarket, gaming or socializing with friends), provided they are at least a 7.0. This led to the fact that even the pupils who were normally happy with a 5.0 tried to stand a 7.0, so that they could skip lessons. Now, in the fourth grade, my English teacher has a similar system: if your figure of past period is at least a 8.0, you may skip ่„™ ๆผ ่„™ ๆผ n Lesson in the week, leading to the half-class deem for English, but with the other subjects settle for A six.

Another possible cause is that many pupils are afraid that they will happen to be a ่Š’ ้ˆง?่‰™stuudje่Š’ ้ˆง?or ่Š’ ้ˆง?่‰™nerd่Š’ ้ˆง?if they get high grades and thus only get soaps to hear.If pupils get a six, they can say ่Š’ ้ˆง?่™„Yes, I haven’t done that much for it though, I’ve read the book only one ๆผ a ๆผ time! ่Š’ ้ˆง๎ƒฝๅŠ‰ No one will believe this if you have taken a nine.

A last cause is that really high figures occur mainly in VWO.If you deem at lower levels and get nines, you are often sent to a higher level.

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